Today is the 60th Anniversary of Pakistani Independence and that of the partition of India. But given the fact that, the common man on the streets of Pakistan has been a victim of the state of Pakistan, there is very little to celebrate in Pakistan.
In 2005 Pakistan ranked 34 in the list of “Top Failed States of the world”, when the list was first published.
Today, in 2007, Pakistan is now ranking at position 12 in the same list! Look at the massive jump in just a span of 2 years of the Musharaff led military rule, towards becoming the top most failed state! Even at position 12, Pakistan is not there because it is better than 11 other top failed states, but is there because there are 11 other states like Sudan, Congo, Somalia etc that are even worse than Pakistan! Even countries like North Korea, Bangladesh and Uganda are ranking better than Pakistan in the list!
Failure of Democracy
The very fact that no elected government in Pakistan has completed its full term in these 60 years proves the gross failure of Democracy as an idea in Pakistan.
The very fact that for over 40 years the country has been under military rule and continues to be under military rule even today proves the failure of democracy there.
Musharraff was just about to impose emergency in the state a few days back! I don’t think he has dropped the plan, he has just postponed it.
Failure of the idea of a state
The first great failure of the idea of the state of Pakistan occurred in 1971. The till then East Pakistan revolted against the very idea of Pakistan and emerged as an independent nation called Bangladesh. This very break up proved that fact that the idea of a Islamic Nation in the form of Pakistan was wrong. Even today more muslims live in India than in Pakistan itself! The partition of India broke the country into two pieces in 1947, the first logical end of this was reached when Pakistan itself got broken into two pieces after that in 1971.
Failure of Science and Technology
Just like any other fundamentalist Islamic state, Pakistan has been a big flop in the field of science and technology. There have been no worth while scientific contributions that have come out of this country in the past 60 years. How can one expect any scientific research from a country where the youth are trained how to tie bombs around themselves and explode! Where the youth are recruited to cause destruction and havoc all over the world, including inside Pakistan!
Its nuclear tests in 1998 were as a response to the Indian tests and not a real test to test its weapons capability. The world scientific community laughed at Pakistan for this immature act.
Its missile tests always take place in response to Indian missile tests. I don’t think this is a scientific process of conducting any tests. The whole world knows that Pakistani missiles are of Chinese and North Korean origin.
Its top scientist, the so called Father of Pakistani nuclear bomb (or the Islamic Bomb as they would prefer to call it), A Q Khan, ran a nuclear black market selling the nuclear technology to other nations and groups. He had stolen blue prints of nuclear centrifuges in Netherlands and even today has a non bailable arrest warrant against him in Netherlands for this crime. Such is the story of its top scientist, who under pressure from Musharraff had to come on the national television and issue a public apology for letting down the nation! Pakistan is a black listed nuclear state in the world today!
Failure of Religion
Religion as an idea has failed in keeping Pakistan together as a nation. The separation of Bangladesh was the first failure.
But a bigger threat lies on Pakistan today, in the form of the possible separation of Baluchistan. The Baluchis are not happy with the state of Pakistan and want a separate nation for Baluchistan.
Look at the documentary videos here which shows in detail the fight for an Independent Baluchistan and the reason behind the struggle.
Similarly there is also a movement going on for an independent Sindhudesh
Some even feel that the division of Pakistan is the only way to root out terrorism.
Success of Religious Extremism
Hasan Askari, former head of the Political Science Department of the Punjab University, Pakistan, says “that Pakistan can no longer be described as a moderate and tolerant society”.
Which is of course true, given the fact that even the orphans of earth quake victims were not spared and were recruited by the terrorist organizations in Pakistan!
The recent Lal Masjid incident proves this once again. Given the threat from this terrorist state, US has talked of military actions on Pakistan.
There is a resurgent Taliban and AlQaida in Pakistan today, and Musharraff is simply not able to control it or perhaps does not want to control it. As many say, he is probably playing hunting with the hounds and running with the hare by being with the US and allies on the war against terrorism on one side, and supporting the same terrorists against India and Afghanistan on the other side!
Even the action at Lal Masjid was taken by Musharraff because of the Chinese pressure as the Chinese nationals were kidnapped by the terrorists.
The Way Ahead
The common man of Pakistan is the answer to all its problems. The common man has to come out on the streets, take over the government, form a true democracy, reject all forms of religious intolerance and extremism, and develop the country.
The common man till to date has been a silent voice in Pakistan. It is the opportunistic politicians, military, ISI that have been playing the cards to decide the Pakistani future. It is high time that the common man in the streets of Pakistan takes charge of the country. Unless this happens, there is little hope for Pakistan.
August 14, 2007 at 3:23 pm |
Nice analysis!
Here is the mirror:
http://www.passerine.net/
And my message to Indians and Pakistanis: keep moving towards friendship since we have tried hatred for 60 years and it has not worked.
August 15, 2007 at 4:45 am |
Very biased and unfair attitude towards Pakistan and Pakistanis in general with poor understanding.
Gurudev and people like him are the reason why peace eludes Pakistan and India. I could counter his points one at a time but the simple truth is that the vast majority of Pakistanis are celebrating our independence from the British and the birth of our nation because we are thankful to be Pakistanis with a nation of our own. Despite all of our problems we are proud of our nation and look forward to our future. I’m no fan of the current dictatorship and like most I am looking forward to the restoration of democracy. We’ll be all right though- we’ll have to work at it but there are a great deal of patriotic Pakistanis who continue to dream of our future. I don’t have any real interest in what is or isn’t going on in interest because I am more interested in my own land. The same goes for Cambodia, Venezuela or Cuba- I am simply Pakistani and I am thankful. The history, people, culture, traditions and languages are part of our heritage and make us a unique part of the world. I value the unique nature of our nation. You seem to enjoy painting a negative picture of our nation but I can assure you that 99% of Pakistanis are thankful for our nation and our independence. You seem to be preoccupied with an Indian and British version of the partition of the British colony of India forgetting South Asian history. From Arabic texts from even the 1200s we hear of Al-Hind and Al-Sind in South Asia. There are many instances where South has seen different nations so get over what you see as partition and learn to respect differences. We simply see ourselves as a diferent people with a different destiny. Tell me if ever India was a nation as such ?The Mughals and Muslims from central asia ruled the lands from Afghanistan to Bengal for over 1000 years but they are long gone. The lands of present Pakistan including my village were part of Alexander the Great’s Greek Empire, Persia’s Khorasan, Afghanistan and other kingdoms- In 2007 I don’t wish to be any of these nations- I am proud to be Pakistani and all it stands for. I don’t really care if the British created a colony of British India for 100 years over my land. The Indian Muslims are Indians and both sides should do well to simply accept reality and move on as friends.
Pakistan Zindabad be tamaam dosta aziz i ma az Pakistan!
August 15, 2007 at 5:26 am |
Strong post… I would have asked you to dilute a bit. Good read ( Gurdev style )
and Mahmood : you write funny.
August 15, 2007 at 8:27 am |
bachodi, facts are hard
Mahmood, brush up your history brother.
More than 700 years before Islam was born, 200 years before Jesus Christ was born, the Mauryan emperor Ashoka ruled over entire region of what is today called India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and a large part of Afghanistan.
Read this
http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/05/09/myth-about-british-creating-india/
August 15, 2007 at 12:50 pm |
Another mirror, my friend. In fact 2
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/246411
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6946430.stm
However, I will not do what you have done. I will not paint paint all Indians with the same brush and I will not degrade India because my faith has taught me that humanity comes first, anything else later. I have Hindu friends who are really great human beings and I am proud of having them as friends. Would you like to become a friend of mine, a Pakistani, in the name of humanity and friendship?
August 15, 2007 at 1:54 pm |
You cannot expect anything else from nation’s carved out on religious lines. It was a failure in Concept, it is a failure in Reality. Their Constitution has been changed three times since independence and the country itself has been broken up once, this time on ethnic gounds to form B’desh. Unrest and inequality in the largest state of Balochistan, unpopular military dictator, a struggling judiciary, simmering religious anger – how can one not call it a failed state?
August 15, 2007 at 2:06 pm |
Sheepoo ..
Count me in as your friend from Mumbai,India.
Mahmood — > I think what you need is a strong heart to digest and accept what GD has written. Just because it is coming from an Indian, you should not go emotional and come up with the same mindset of NON acceptance. I firmly believe that our relations are much older than that of yours with west. So, keep an open mind.
Jai Hind.. Vande Maataram.
August 15, 2007 at 2:11 pm |
Sheepoo
I have not painted all Pakis with the same brush.. I would be the last person to do that.. We Indians very much know the difference between ordinary pakistani citizens and the establishment there..
If you read the post properly, I have said that it is the minority of ISI, military and politicians that are responsible for the present state of Pakistan.. and also that the people of the pakistan, the silent voice that has been there, should come out against this on the streets to build a better Pakistan..
I have many paksitani friends too, and fyi I had won a quiz competition on Quran from an Islamic Institute when I was in high school.
The second link that you have given, whole India knows about it.. they are a minority of hindu fundamentalists called Shivasena and nobody really cares about them. they dont hold a temple at ransom, with AK-47 and threaten the government.
After the partition pakistan had more than 15% of Hindus, and according to the 1998 census of Pakistan the Hindu population is 1.6% in Pakistan! Where did the others vanish? I am not saying this because I am hindu.. I am a human first, which is why I am concerned about such statistics.
After the partition, India had about 10% muslim population and today it was more than 17% in 2001, and today it is said to be around 20%. The facts speak themselves about the difference between the two societies! Are you aware of the fact that in India muslims are allowed to have their own law boards and their own religious educational systems?
Yes of course, the vedic culture of hinduism says “Vasudaiva Kutumbakam”, meaning whole world is a family..
So we in fact are friends, and we can continue to be so and work for the betterment of our societies..
August 15, 2007 at 2:17 pm |
Oemar
I completely agree with you.. and yes you have a very good blog too!
Dev,
Yes you are right.. we need to take reality on face value.. good or bad, truth is truth, and only when we know what past reality is will we be able to build a future society free of any illusions.
August 15, 2007 at 2:43 pm |
Time willbe the true measure of all things but a large group of Pakistanis, myself included are working towards the resoration of democracy with functioning institutions. It is our biggest weakness but there is a big difference in blaming the current leadership vs the country. While visiting the US I note that people are fed up with Bush and some American policies- they are not ed up with America. In the same manner Pakistanis may be sick of some of our political leaders and military leaders but we would never be sick of our nation. Despite what I would term your own wishes, try to understand this difference. Pakistan may have problems but we are celebrating our independence beacuse we are proud to be Pakistanis. Cheers!
August 15, 2007 at 3:30 pm |
Oh Yes Mahmood, Indians will be the most happiest to see a democratic, secular Pakistan free of extremism and terrorism.
Wish you and all other Pakistani brothers all the best in this noble effort of yours.
August 15, 2007 at 7:34 pm |
Hi All,
I am Mahmood from India im pretty much an indian i dont know who this guy mahmood is who is supposed to be from pakistan iam really surprised with ur optimisim mr mahmood from pak ur own comon brothers r screwed on the roads ur militiary is in the hand of mushraff who is merely a puppet at the hands of bush n i am sure once he loses his position he can be a hilarious villian in c grade indian movies so just dont get tooo emotional n too carried away just learn that together u guys as a common men can make the difference not just by lashing out at others so control emotions n we would be happy to have a neighbour like you which is ruled by people i mean democratic government which is gud for us as well.
August 15, 2007 at 8:19 pm |
Guys, let me clarify a bit.
Mahmood with a hyperlink on his name is from India
and Mahmood without a hyperlink on his name is from Pakistan. Let us call Mahmood from Pakistan as Mahmood(P), in order to avoid any confusion.
Yes Mahmood(P), as Mahmood rightly said, we Indians would definitely love to see a truly democratic Pakistan.
We Indians have nothing against Pakistan,
except for the terrorist attacks inside India by the likes of Hizbul, Lashkar, Jaish, etc,
except for the existence of Daewood in Karachi,
except for the misadventures like Operation Topac, Kargil, etc
India, inspite of all this, even today maintains the “most favoured nation”(MFN) status to pakistan in terms of trade as per the WTO (the erstwhile GATT agreement), where as Pakistan inspite of being a signatory to GATT/WTO has not provided MFN status to India! Indian business is neither dependent on Pakistan nor is there such a huge market in Pakistan for India, all Indian movies and songs are sold as pirated material in pakistan!
Yet, by doing a non-discriminatory business with India, by according a MFN status, it will be the pakistan that will be benefiting out of it. Do you have any idea, how much of loss would pakistan suffer if India interprets the article 24 of GATT like Pakistan has done and removes the MFN status to Pakistan? But India will never do it. Because we would love to see a strong democratic friendly pakistan.
When Vajpayee from India came to Lahore in Pakistan with a hand of friendship, what we got in return was Kargil! Hope this never repeats again and wish all the best for you to build a democratic institutionalised progressive Pakistan.
Khuda Hafiz
August 15, 2007 at 11:00 pm |
@Gurudev
Nice collection of facts from the past and present. I totally stand by your MFN Status agreement. Just like that, many of our offers and confidence building measures have met with cold responses from across the border (I am referring to Pak govt and not Pak citizens- before it raises any misunderstanding and controversy here)
August 16, 2007 at 2:43 am |
Just for general knowledge the name Mahmood is generally used in many Muslim countries and does not refer to nationality; Moreover it’s a pretty common name. Hence you’ll find Iranians, Pakistanis, Somalis, Afghanis and Indian Muslims with the same name. As for MFN status, I agree it is entirely India’s perogative to remove that vis a vis its trading relationship with India. Like some I believe a period of isolation and even sanctions will goad our nation into better development. Following military sanctions, Pakistan developed an indegenous aircraft industry and we will now start production of fighter jets. A great deal of our development has taken place when our backs are agaisnt the wall. I frankly feel you have underestimated the missile programme and its origins the same way many Indians doubted our ability to produce nuclear weapons. We have to apply the same drive into genuine industrial and economic pursuits. I feel that our nation has a way to go towards self sufficiency and the society as a whole needs an austerity plan. Unfortunately the middle class and the upper classes are largely indifferent to the needs of the lower classes. To see their lifestyles you would scarcely guess there was anything wrong in Pakistan. Pakistan remains the largest talent pool within the Muslim world and we do see ourselves as the ultimate saviours of Muslim civilisation. You may argue that Palestinians are better off as citizens of Israel or that Indian Muslims are better off as Indians. That may well be true for Indian Muslims but not for Pakistanis. You must accept that we don’t buy into the British myth of partition. We are neighbours and need to respect each other as such. If India develops well economically good for India but as a Pakistani I only care about my nation. You must also realise that most Pakistanis want normalization of relations with India- the only outstanding matter is Kashmir which is a problem created by the British since the time of partition. Regardless of our views, a resolution should be made based on the wishes of the people and through mediation. Talk of terrorist groups belies the reality that our nation has suffered greatly from the same terrorist groups who are often in the pay of wealthy foreign powers. Be it Saudi Arabia or Iran much of the militancy is born and bred on foreign soil. It becomes convenient for Indians to blame all manner of problems on Pakistan but the reality is quite different. Criminals like Dawood should be extradited wherever they may be but I doubt he would be in Pakistan. I am a native Pakistani of Kashmiri /Punjabi background- I couldn’t care less about whether a criminal from India is Muslim any more if a criminal from the UK is Muslim. They are foreigners who deserve to be charged for crimes in their country of origin.
Anyhow a great many of us Pakistanis continue to work for our nation and we plan to see our nation through difficult times. It’s not a question of emotions- it is our future and we have been heartened by the role assumed by our Chief Justice.
August 16, 2007 at 6:31 pm |
Hi
Mahmood iam amazed at your optimisim you really deservea a accolade and my dear friend come to reality that pakistan had dug its own grave by befriending to US which just seeks business thats it and for u just producing aircrafts does not mean development, developemnt should be in people common people and not in infrastractures and roads n builidngs the point i want to drive is we never said pakistan is our enemy its only they are ruled by some selifish politicians ,which prevails in india as well but thanks to visionaries like Abdul Kalam,Narayan Murthy,Dhirubai Ambani and the list goes on we are able to develop our economy and there by giving lot of job oppu to common man,my point to u is instead of contradicting if we are better are what you guys are doing i woudl love to see some great entrepreneurs coming from pakistan as well and when the bigwigs of asia combine India,Pakistan,China mind u US will be on out toes and we could be the superpowers together and iam sure with educated youth like you in pakistan im sure the day is not far enough.
August 17, 2007 at 4:14 am |
Surprisingly it’s not just me there remains a great deal of optimism in Pakistan- particularly among the younger generation. We see the development in the world and how societies are run and we want the same in Pakistan. No one wants accolades; this is simply how we feel. I fully agree with you that producing nuclear weapons, fighter jets and missiles does not imply a more broad based industrial development. I have said this myself if you read my post. I said that the same igenuity and discipline used to achieve these goals should be be applied to greater economic goals. There are however some who will also point out that our military industry has provided an export market in the form of Pakistani weapons which are sold to other countries. Moreover through the aircraft industry Pakistan helps builds parts for the Boeing 777. As for your point as to whether India is or isn’t better, it’s not for me to say. I’m not Indian and I don’t pretend to know what’s gong on in India. If any nation in the world is doing well or not doing well, that is not my concern. As I said before, I couldn’t care less because I care only about my homelans and nation of Pakistan. My only interest is to see her progress and develop into a modern and progressive nation. We do have up and coming entrpreneurs in Pakistan and hopefully we will see more in the years to come but our main challenge remains to establish funsctioning and stable insitutions. The talent is there. Most Muslim countries the world over are in similar circumstances, from Algeria, Somalia, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Central Asia and Afghanistan- turmoil is to be seen. What the world forgets is that we will never abandon our faith, religion, culture, history and homelands and submit to others. Our leaders may be corrupt in all Muslim lands, but the people still work for betterment. I have no illusions about superpowers or big Muslim states- most of us simply want to focus on our own nation of Pakistan. Incidentally we had a great independence ceremony ; wish you folks a happy independence ceremony too. Cheers.
August 17, 2007 at 5:21 am |
@mahmood(P): You dont have to doubt about the whereabouts of Dawood.
Nacro tests on Abu Salem, reveled it that dawood is in karachi…and many more infos….
August 17, 2007 at 2:00 pm |
Pakistanis don’t want a criminal rom Mumbai in our country any more than we would want a crminal from any other nation seeking shelter here. You folks seem to think we have some hidden wish to harbour criminals from India which is simply not true. Agreat many native Pakistanis like myself resent the influx of anyone from across either border becasue we must prioritize on our own people. For example there are millions of undocumented Bengalis and Afghanis in Karachi. There is a large underworld in the mega city of Karachi as their is in Mumbhai. Recently India and the Mumbhai police claimed that this criminal Dawood is in Quetta on Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan- it is just ridiculous. I frankly have little respect for the Indian police or intelligence who ust blame everything on ISI or groups across the border. Believe me, a Hindi or Gujarati speaking or whatever group of Indian Muslim Dawood is – the person would stand out like a sore thumb in Quetta among the Pakhtun and Baluch. Anyhow don’t believe everything you are fed.
August 17, 2007 at 6:22 pm |
Mahmood(P)
Pakistani common people may not want it.
But what about your ISI, military and politicians?
Who started operation topac? Zia ul haq.
Why the hell on earth do you have Lashkar, Jaish, Hizbul etc? To run charity organizations in pakistan? or to spread terror across the globe?
Its not the Indians alone, the whole world is saying it, including Afghanistan and America.
Which was that country which took funds from US and CIA to create and train terrorists against the russian forces in Afghanistan? And then used the same funds to mass murder innocent people in Kashmir, an act of ethnic cleansing.
We know very well about how ISI/pak military prints fake Indian currency to fund its activities in India and destabilise Indian economy.
You are losing our respect by supporting ISI, pak military, etc on these issues. The last thing we would want to realize is that a pakistani common man supports these.
Nobody in India rejects that we have an underworld in bombay. Nor did we ever talk about shia sunni fight on the streets of pakistan.
Mumbai underworld is an internal Indian issue. The issue extended to pakistan because Dawood lives there. Do you think we are fools to think that Dawood doesnt have Pakistani support or is not in Karachi inspite of the fact that your Miandad’s son got married to Dawood’s daughter? And still you say, you have nothing to do with Dawood? You mean to say Miandad never knew Dawood?
You cant make your country better if you cant realize the hard facts. First ensure that all those terrorist breeding grounds are wiped out of your country. India might be a soft state and do nothing about it. But the same cant be assured about US.
For the own good of your fellow country men, realize the truth, accept it, and then resolve it.
August 18, 2007 at 1:36 pm |
You have been brainwashed by RAW and your media so you have lost the ability to see tings clearly if this is how you think. Your military, your politicians and Raw intelligence are actively involved in trying to destabilise their neighbours- not only Pakistan but Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and even China. This is a truth that all of India’s neighbours complain of. Afghanistan and the US are playing politics at Pakistan’s expense and most analysts know this- not only in Pakistan. You have lost my respect or blindly allowing yourself to be brainwashed by ignoring your nation’s role in causing instablity. The USA largely controls what goes on in Paistan’s foreign policy- be it in Afghanistan with the Russians or even now. To think otherwise would be fallacy. I will ignore your comnents about Kashmir because you probably hae little knowledge about what many Kashmiri families went through including my own family. I believe it prudent to simply say we should let Kashmiris and only Kashmiris decide on their future in time through peaceful negotations. I am a common Pakistani and I am discouraged to hear such comments coming from across the border. As or aved Miandad, he doesn’t represent Pakistanis- he’s a sportsman plain and simple- who his son does or doesn’t marry isn’t something to gauge national politics and foreign policy on!
August 18, 2007 at 2:16 pm |
Mahmood(P)
Dont forget that Kashmiri people also includes Kashmiri Pandits who were mass murdered by the terrorists, and today are living as refugees in their own country, fearing for their lives and dont want to go back to Kashmir.
And what if I say that ISI and Military have brainwashed you? You didnt answer about Operation Topac, because probably you dont know anything about it.
You said “RAW is trying to destabilize all neighbours of India”? This is the biggest joke of the year. First decide who all are destabilizing your country.. USA, India, Afghanistan?? which country?
See the confusion among your leaders here
http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19991007/ige07018.html
You didnt say anything about Hizbul, Lashkar etc. What did Jamar Ud Dawa do after the recent earth quakes in Pakistan? See this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/07/wquake07.xml
See the news reports below from your very own Pakistani newspapers, which so clearly explain that terrorists from Pakistan enter India to destabilize India and to cause terrorist actions in India.
Friday Times, May 17-23, 1990
“they (the terrorists) arrive at the Line of Control bearing code letters from their organizations and are taken over by the Field Intelligence Units (FIUs), the main grass roots operational and counter intelligence units of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI).”
Nawai-i-Waqt, Sept 18, 1991
“Paramjit Sign, self-styled “Lt Gen” of Khalistan Commando Force has said on Channel 4 BBC TV, that his companions were trained in Pakistan…even recently some of his trained extremist companions had gone to Pakistan to acquire further and more sophisticated training and on their return they would continue their struggle.”
The News, October 10, 1991
“Asked how the freedom struggle was progressing, Mr. Safi (of Hezbul Mujahideen) said that a stage in the struggle for self-determination had come where Kalashnikovs alone were insufficient. Remote control explosive devices, rocket launchers and light machine guns were being brought into play…”
Frontier Post, May 29, 1991 – Mushaid Hussain
“The other approach, which Pakistan has apparently adopted in regard to Kashmir is an “Afghan Model,” esstentially a protracted war, which has made Kashmir into a bleeding wound for India, raising the political, military, and psychological costs of its occupation.”
The Nation, October 1, 1991 – Brig. Bashir
“…the supporters of the movement” (should supply to the terrorists) “surface-to-air missiles.” (Because) “such weapons will inevitably raise the cost of the war for India.”
The Nation, June 3, 1990
“The Gates Mission* has confirmed that the information (regarding Pakistan’s running 31 training camps for the Kashmiri militants) was supplied by the Pakistani officials.” * mission led by Robert Gates, Deputy National Security
Adviser to the U.S. President
The Nation, June 7, 1992
“The threat of declaring Pakistan as a “terrorist state” is not new. It was first officially conveyed to Pakistan way back in April 1990 by the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs… Were the United States to go through with this threat of declaring Pakistan a terrorist state it would mean Pakistan joining the select company of states like Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, and North Korea.”
Kashmir Times, Feb 10, 1989
“He (Shabir Ahmed Shah of the People’s League) said, Shaheed (Martyr) Zia, late General Rahim Khan and others knew about this plan and it was with their permission that training centres were established in different parts of Pakistan where the youth from this place received the latest in arms and other weapons.”
The Nation, May 3, 1992
“He (Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif) said that Kashmir would become part of Pakistan and thanksgiving prayers would be offered in Srinagar…”
The Pakistan Times, April 21, 1991
“Hekmatyar on a number of occassions has stated that the Jehad (holy Islamic war) should be encouraged in Kashmir as well as in Soviet Central Asia.”
The News, Dec 4, 1991
“As the right of self-determination and the annexation of Kashmir to Pakistan is a part of the two-nation theory, Pakistan is not complete till Kashmir is annexed to it.”
See the public statements of Pakistani leaders
The Guardian, May 1, 1990 by Kathy Evans from Muzaffarbad “The President of Azad Kashmir state in Pakistan, Sardar Abdul Qayyum Khan, has accussed the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front of containing “terrorist elements”.”
Nawa-i-Waqt, September 15, 1991, Saradar Qayyum said:
“Islam would strengthen freedom movement and determination of accession to Pakistan. Pakistan should courageously announce that it was extending every possible help to resistance movement as it was not a secessionist movement but movement of accession to Pakistan.”
Nawa-i-Waqt, November 20, 1990, reported that Mumtaz Rathore, so-called Prime Minister of the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir: decided to utilise Rs. 430 million worth of the Zakat fund to extend practical aid to the Kashmiri militants.
The Nation, May 13, 1991, reported that Sheikh Rashid Ahmad, Adviser to the Prime Minister, said: “that present liberation struggle in Held Kashmir will continue till realisation of its objectives.”
Addressing public rallies at five different places in London and Birmingham on Saturday and Sunday he said “any deviation from the Kashmir freedom movement would be a national and religious crime.”
The Nation, November 26, 1990, quotes Mumtaz Rathore, the so-called Prime Minister of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir: “The very purpose of the state (of POK) is to serve as base camp for the liberation of held Jammu and Kashmir.”
The Nation, May 22, 1991, quotes Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan, Pakistan Democratic Party Chief: “Pakistan was not complete without Kashmir.”
Public statements by leaders of terrorist groups
Associated Press, Rawalpindi, December 17, 1989
“Pakistan trained Kashmir subversives who traded the Indian Home Minister’s daughter for five of their jailed colleagues, have vowed to continue hitting Indian targets in Jammu and Kashmir, a leader said today.”
“Amanullah Khan, Chairman of the Pakistan based Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front said the subversives will wage an 18 month-old campaign of terror, including killings and more hijackings amd kidnappings.”
Independent Television News Limited, London (UK) (Channel No. 4) Sept 14, 1991 at 1900 hours, Paramjit Singh Panjawar, Khalistan Commando Force:
“Training is give(n) to any militant who crosses into Pakistan. On his return he trains others. Some of these newly trained cross over to Pakistan to receive more proper and advanced training. Then they come back to continue the fighting.”
“We hijacked a factory bus belonging to the Swaraj Mazda tractor factory. It had 30 people on it. We killed 27 of them.”
Horizons, March 31, 1992 – Ayesha Haroon, Part of team that hijacked Indian Airlines Plane “GANGA” bound for Srinagar to Lahore in January 1971.
“We were told to set ablaze the plane…” “India was presurrizing the (Pakistan) Government for the return of the plane.”
Quami Awaz, May 15, 1992 – Hashim Quershi, Co-Founder of JKLF
“Ammanullah Khan before his organization was dropped by ISI in favor of fundementalist pro-PAK terrorist groups about 2 years ago, openly boasted that his front started terrorist activities in Srinagar with the support of the ISI.”
“Now, on the strength of their guns, the militants are raping and killing innocent women as they did in the last week in March in the House of Pandit Mohan Lal in the Gaokadal area. Three armed men broke into his house and raped his wife and 19 year old daughter before killing all three of them…We are being called leaders just because we carry guns but no constructive programme.”
Quami Awaz, June 1, 1992 – Hashim Quershi, Co-Founder of JKLF
“Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan or Pakistani rulers, who master-minded tremendous bloodshed in Kashmir, have managed stifling of the voices of Kashmiris for their self determination…They have totally distorted the entire movement. The ISI and Pakistani rulers will not give up the battle for their interests.”
Have the RAW and other Indian agencies brainwashed all the above mentioned Pakistani media and personalities?? Who is trying to destabilize whom buddy?
August 18, 2007 at 8:26 pm |
I think you know who is trying to destabilse whom. RAW and Indian intelligence are the scourge of the region. Simply ask yourself why India has bad relations with all of her neighbours? They have yet to respect the rights of others to live in a neighbourhood. If individual groups from Pakistan are working to help their relatives in Kashmir doesn’t that tell you something. Pakistan has no designs on India- the Kashmir issue is a problem of partition created by the British to punish Pakistanis for breaking up a British colony they themselves created. Our people have suffered and your attempt to liken the plight of a relatively small percentage of Pandits to the majority Kashmiri population’s suffering is insensitive.
August 18, 2007 at 8:46 pm |
Mahmood(P)
You said “individual groups from Pakistan are working to help their relatives in Kashmir”! Help? How? Using AK-47, AK-56, bombs, rocket launchers, by blowing up houses, bridges, by killing people, innocent women, children, by converting a heaven into hell?? Pakistanis really have a very unique way to help!
Also, by saying “to liken the plight of a relatively small percentage of Pandits to the majority Kashmiri population’s suffering is insensitive.”, you only have proved the fact that minorities have no place in Pakistan, and I am now clear why the percentage of Hindus which was 15% during partition in Pakistan is today only about 1%.
Thanks for the clarification.
August 19, 2007 at 11:14 am |
This is a really interesting blog and ofcourse the topic.
Great job GD.Analysis is quite a good once.
Mahmood(P):-I dont think anyone here is doubting your dreams of better pakistan .the only problem is non acceptance of truth.the bare truth of terrorism spread by pakistani terrorist in the name of religion.
Which religion asks to spread terrorism?
Go back to quran and ask your self.
About india,RAW,media tring to destabilises neighbours.JOKE of millinia.
what abt kargil.The so called terriorst or the pak army.the one who lost near and dears at the kargil peaks are not duffers or idots who were painted by thoughts of raw .they know who was the killer.”un uniformed pak army’.
I pity the soldiers coz there own people dont even accept there corpse.
Musaraffs talk record released during war speaking about movement of army.
Ask yourself not as a paki but as a human i believe we wont need to answer you but your soul will answer.
Pak means pure .Please try to keep the place true to its name.Realise the truth ,speak the truth ……………….
August 19, 2007 at 12:08 pm |
Anu
I agree with your comments completely. It is exactly what I have been trying to tell Mahmood(P), to identify and recognize the issue first, the issue for Pakistan is not India or Afghanistan, it is the extremist elements inside Pakistan.
The educated youth in Pakistan have to recognize the issue of extremism and resolve it. The solution is not to kill terrorists, it is to put an end to terrorism by denying any kind of access to infrastructure, finance, weapons to terrorists, to completely ban terrrorist organizations and to ensure that they are not able to recruit and brainwash kids and youth, to remove any and every kind of fundamentalism from the education in madarasas of Pakistan.
The sooner Pakistan does this, the better, because I dont think rest of the world has an infinite amount of patience like India. Immediately after 9/11 attacks, America had told Pakistan very clearly “Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age”. This was revealed to the world by Musharraff himself, explaining why he chose to side with America on the war on terror!
August 19, 2007 at 3:51 pm |
You really should get a better grip on reality and acts. Things which you read through Indiaian intelligence and RAW need to filtered and evaluated before you simply accept it as gospel. The reality is that all of India’s neighbours have a beef with India- not just Pakistan. You can go on saying everyone is wrong and RAW/Indian intelligence is right but if you folks open your hearts , I think you will also see what is truth. As for your comnets about Kargil and Kashmir, there is a lot of pressure from Kashmiris themselves within Pakistan and throught the world to resolve the issue. Unlike India, Pakistanis fighting in Kashmir are from the same region; they are Muslims from the same region, not Indian soldiers from far off in the jungles of South India or Sikhs from the plains of Punjab. Implying that local Muslim troops and irregulars would want to kill their own sisters and mothers while Indians from far off are defending them is intellectually dishonest. US has pushed Pakistanis to ignore our genuine issue of Kashmir and only do America’s jobs in Afghanistan or elsewhere. As for America’s treastment of Pakistan, you sould have no illusions that much of the Pakistani military and Pakistani intelligence is on US payroll. On the one hand you know that our dictatorshp and militry is US puppet and on the other hand you are saying America is warning Pakistani military and intelligence about terror. Just accept that US controls Pakistan military and intelligence- be it in Afghanistan or elsewhere. We Pakistanis want to gain back control of our nation and have independent policy.
August 20, 2007 at 2:55 pm |
Then how far Pakistan is indepedent?
August 20, 2007 at 4:50 pm |
We need to re establish a functioning democracy and rule of law with the military taking a back seat to politics. Only a genuinely elected goernment can represent the aspirations of the common people. This is not only a challenge for Pakistan but all Muslim states from North Africa,the Middle East and Central Asia.
August 21, 2007 at 6:15 am |
Dear Mahmood
What I am today is because of good human beings. Includes a balanced, good hearted close muslim family and i am introduces to others as their child. We are no way related either by blood, religion, color, language, birth place, and customs. But they have influenced me with their affection and helpful to others without any returns.
Yes I have lot of regards to them as well as Muslims – fellow human beings in general. Our heart renders when we hear and watch Afganistan, Iraq etc.. innocent citizens suffer.
Why moderate Muslims are not united in these countries? Why do they become victims of greed, power hungry, cruel minded, sadist few miscreants? It is highly impossible for others to conquer one who has conquered self.
October 2, 2008 at 5:13 pm |
HI…….I READ SOME OF ITS FACTS…….THE FAILURE OF DEMOCRACY IS THE MAIN PROBLEM IN PAKISTAN….BECOUSE THERE IS NO ELECTED GOVRMENT IN THE ASSEMBLY AND ONLY ONE PERSON MAKE ALL THE IMPORTANT DICISSONS ALL ALONE………BUT THERE IS AN ELECTED GOVRNMENT IN ASSEMBLY AND I PRAY TO ALLAH THAT THIS GOVRNMENT SHOULD TAKE HIS TIME OF FIVE YEAR…………AAAMIN